Coronavirus - how much do you worry ?

[Killerbunny]

in the US
CDC estimates that so far this season there have been at least 39 million flu illnesses, 410,000 hospitalizations and 24,000 deaths from flu.
COVID-19: U.S. at a Glance*†

Total cases: 492,416
Total deaths: 18,559
Jurisdictions reporting cases: 55 (50 states, District of Columbia, Guam, Puerto Rico, the Northern Mariana Islands, and the U.S. Virgin Islands)

* Data include both confirmed and presumptive positive cases of COVID-19 reported to CDC or tested at CDC since January 21, 2020, with the exception of testing results for persons repatriated to the United States from Wuhan, China and Japan. State and local public health departments are now testing and publicly reporting their cases. In the event of a discrepancy between CDC cases and cases reported by state and local public health officials, data reported by states should be considered the most up to date.

† Numbers updated Saturday and Sunday are not confirmed by state and territorial health departments. These numbers will be modified when numbers are updated on Monday.

From the CDC site

[KimChick]

"The best way to take control over a people and control them utterly is to take a little of their freedom at a time, to erode rights by a thousand tiny and almost imperceptible reductions. In this way, the people will not see those rights and freedoms being removed until past the point at which these changes cannot be reversed.”
Just sayin'

YES!!! That is true!
And on a religious note: Satan is alive and well. Those behind the New World Order are loving this.

[JimW]

I was not going to comment but.... I love all the "they are taking our rights away" and "I cannot take this any more, we need to get back to our normal lives, this is too much" all over social media. Drives my crazy. I want to get back to normal life asap as well, heck I have basically been self-isolated, in my house since my heart surgery in early February. I am dying to have my normal life. But I can wait.

In Ontario we have only had any kind of restrictions on our activities for about a month. The average life span in Ontario is 80 years, 960 month, so even if we had to live with these restrictions on our activities for 6 months (I don't think that long is reasonable) that is only 0.6 % of the average life span, still lots of time already lived and enjoyed or to live and enjoy.

Be safe be smart, wear a tin foil hat or whatever you need to do to not be sucked into all the BS and conspiracy theory stuff.

[ross]

Amen Jim

[kenya]

I don't see people with the flu carted away in transport trucks to be buried in mass buriels, in Italy alone so far 100 Physicians have died. You don't see nursing homes have 75% of their residents die because they had a flu epidemic, you might have one or 2 that's it. You don't have staff refuse to work because they are afraid of taking the flu to their families, they do with covid 19. You are deluding yourself if you think you can compare the 2

[WLLady]

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/pr ... imates.htm:
39,000,000 – 56,000,000 flu illnesses;
24,000 – 62,000 flu deaths
**so by my calculation that's at the WORST case 62000/39000000=0.00159 which is 0.15% for the 2019-2020 flu season to date (and yes, i realize the flu season isn't over yet-but it does start to wane in april typically)

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps ... 7b48e9ecf6
Data to April 11 midday: worldwide covid-19 cases 1777666, deaths world wide 108867
**so by my calculation thats 108867/1777666=0.0612 which is 6.12% and increase of 40.8x worse for the covid-19 vs the flu.....

And a not too bad article comparing the flu and covid....
https://www.livescience.com/new-coronav ... h-flu.html

[LongCrow]

There is no comparison between the flu and covid 19

So what you are saying is a life lost to the flu is less valuable than one lost to the Covid-19 virus.

The young men and women that went to war to grant and protect our freedom may beg to differ that our rights should so easily be stripped by so few.

Now that those globalists see how easy it is to control the masses they will seize the next opportunity to do so if this one fails. Maybe the virus was released by a group for this very reason. If not they now know a weapon to do so.

That in itself should scare us more than the virus.

[poultry_admin]

On the contrary, I think that people will vote out governments that don't get the balance right or even worse chase them out of power. The expectation for the US is ~47million unemployed by June. That is 1/4 people in working age! Clearly there has to be a better way. Luckily other democracies are going different ways than the US and in a way are testing different methods.
e.g. After a huge outbreak, South Korea has halted the spread without physical distancing measures and shutdowns by extensively testing and heavy handed quarantining the few infected and those who got in contact with them. Social live, work live are still going on.
Portugal has virtually no outbreak because they went into shutdown around early march when no one else was even thinking about it. The social system there is taxed to the max, unemployment and company closures are also on the rise.

Both have virtually no outbreak, so goal #1 achieved. But at a completely different social and economic cost.
Looking at those compared to the majority of other responses we see in NA, EU and ASIA where the governments were all too late, I would for the next pandemic:
- stock pile test capacity, not respirators (who knows if we need them? Might be a stomach bug next...)
- make it super easy for the health ministry to track down people who were in contact with potentially infected (apps and other technologies will help) and use the test capacity to blanket test people.
- heavy handed quarantine measures for the unlucky few. But deliver them steak and lobster to stay home with a job guarantee and a bonus at the end if they didn't spread it.

Happy Easter!!

[Killerbunny]

Part of this is that it shows up huge deficiencies in our Health Care System as I'm sure @kenya well knows. However part of the problem with comparing countries is different "lifestyles" and demographics. It is my belief that a huge part of the problem and numbers of deaths is the Retirement/Nursing care issues, this is something that needs to be addressed for the future. Our local Health Unit has mentioned that the Retirement Residences have a dispoportionate number of cases and deaths. I just saw that in Markham the PSWs walked off the job at an Adult Special needs facility since they couldn't cope any more. The other problem is tht nobody knows how many cases there are and in fact how many cases are very mild.
Please note as well that I am not right wing or left wing especially but I have views on this subject and am entitled to them as is everybody else whether we agree or not.
@JimW glad you popped on to comment and you're right. This has made almost no difference to us since we're not social people anyway but we find there is almost a psychological effect of being told you CAN'T do something and that for us was when they closed access to an area we go regularly. We never see anyone else there anyway. It is closed because it would not be possible to close only certain conservation areas. Somehow I don't think there will be an eexemption made for us. The other crazy thing was that it took 4 trips to town to get our normal basic groceries instead of the one it normally takes. Most of our grocery stores don't have the pick up option and the on ethat does is a week to 10 days wait. Hopefully they'll get organised. Strangely DH mentioned that shoppers were much more polite than normal.
The other thing that is worrying is the increase in Domestic Violence that the Police Chief has mentioned. It is now much more difficult fro someone to leave a situation like that. Last week there was a Murder Suicide in the area, thankfully the toddler wasn't harmed. I isn't possible for me to understand how people can remain in that type of relationship but they do.
Anyway - take care all and hug a therapy chicken.

[kenya]

@LongCrow What I am saying is if travelers had been made to properly quarantine this would not be happening. Yes their rights would be temporarily removed to keep everyone else safe, 14 days is not a lot to ask.Instead these travelers self isolated but first went to their business , out to get groceries etc. In our area our outbreak traces back to one couple who did just that. Not everyone did that lots returned from trips and did self isolate properly but it only takes one.
I agree I don't want to lose my rights and people will vote for governments that will keep our rights but I have the right to be safe. I want things to go back as quickly as possible to way things were, problem is some people believe this is all propaganda disigned to remove our rights and refuse to listen, refuse to social distance. They then spread it and keep us in lockdown even longer.
We can't take back the mistakes already made and unfortunately everyone now has to suffer. Domestic violence being a big problem but some factories are starting back to work , they have changed their work stations to include social distancing so hopefully this will help. Not being able to go out to your favorite places ,being stuck at home is very frustrating .
But see it from frontline workers point of view, who are overworked, underpaid and are putting their lives on the line for people who won't listen. Vacation is taken away, staff are mandated to work, you have to self isolate more than anyone else because you deal with it every day. Workload is 5 times what it would normally be and all that makes us extremely frustrated. We see other workers laid off but the government is paying them to stay home while we are forced to work more and longer, feels like we are being punished for being nurses.