Documentary: Down Wind

Maximus · Post by **Maximus** » Tue Feb 07, 2017 11:28 am

ross wrote:QR_BBPOST Correct me if I'm wrong but here. Back when Nextra was just getting all their ducks & approvals in a row & we were fighting yes the municipality had no say but the owners of the land there on did . Is it still the same ?

I'm not entirely sure on what you mean, but I think you mean the land lease owners have rights to say yes or no to a turbine on their property? Yes they do have rights to their land and they can decline or accept.

Yes, municipalities were stripped of their rights in the GEA 2009. Still the same.

A landowner can sign a lease agreement, they are given that right. But as soon as you sign, your rights are removed as well. You can not file health complaints, you can not discuss with the media, you get enormous leins against your land/farm/home. You do not meet the minimal setback requirements. There are homes here that have Turbines just over 200m to their home, but they can't say anything because they are leaseholders. You can not file noise complaints. They also can not seek legal counsel after they have signed the land lease agreement.

The owners of the land can negotiate where the tower is prior to signing, but it's been 'heard' that if the wind company determines a different spot is better, than in the lease agreement they have the 'power' to change the location of the tower, after it is signed by the land lease owner.

ross · Post by **ross** » Tue Feb 07, 2017 11:32 am

That's what I meant goes to prove they should understand before they sign & probably do. As you say no law yet that they have to sign . If not ....luck , money talks

TomK · Post by **TomK** » Tue Feb 07, 2017 11:33 am

Snookie..6 times as many obviously...and they are a blight on the landscape now as it is..

sandy..yeah, I caught the misspeak as well on the setback distance...

If a community doesn't want these things wouldn't the short term prevention be to dissuade the land lease? My apologies but its just plain old greed again...on both ends

Maximus · Post by **Maximus** » Tue Feb 07, 2017 11:37 am

Schookie, they have not shut the turbines down since they started. Not one single day over here. Started in October of 2016. And by day I mean a 12 hour period.

Your provincial power company is lying! Plain and simple. Wind studies are conducted. If they won't have adequate wind for 90% of the time they won't go up. Have a watch of the video and how gas powered plants are required. You have a right to request the research that has been done (FOI) and even if your municipality gave the wind companies permission to study the wind.

There is a county in Eastern Ontario that got the results of the wind study AFTER it was done and didn't have any idea the wind companies were even there testing. They study and permits etc., were put forth to MOECC etc., without the municipality even knowing.

Odd. I've never seen this shade of green in my lifetime. Looks like

to me!

Maximus · Post by **Maximus** » Tue Feb 07, 2017 11:40 am

Tom,

Like Ross said, money talks. The land lease owners get a guaranteed income every year plus a certain % at the end of the year.

ross · Post by **ross** » Tue Feb 07, 2017 11:49 am

Don't get me wrong I'm not dissin the landowner it's not all greed for many it's survival of the family farm & a better financial life for their kids ( all are not real farmers either ) farming wind is the new crop & they have a right to do it if they want . It's up to other government powers to make sure safe & economically viable for the future . Luck
We fought & lost but did get 10 grand from them to do a bird census & Indian burial site locate on my land .would have got another 50 grand if poles carrying power to sub stations had been on my side of the road . Wish it had would have only been 50' closer to my house .PS you don't have to take the money either . A few I know around here didn't take the power line money . The negotiater I signed with suggested I get a lawyer to go over & when cheque came said smiling , now you can use it the money to fight Nextra with lawyers or whatever . I paid off my mortgage , hope that's not greed . Luck

TomK · Post by **TomK** » Tue Feb 07, 2017 12:22 pm

Oh i know all about the guaranteed income..and its not every one that is in the situation of take it or die...thats the real minority...for most its greed and a willingness to disregard the community they are part of and all the information and all the warning signs...money talks...and thats the problem...everyone will come up with their own rationalizations...

And Ross, power line poles, although ugly as

, are not a health hazard (yet)..

ross · Post by **ross** » Tue Feb 07, 2017 12:33 pm

Run into them with your vehicle u die Tom like three have here & all the trees they cut down to make room along road for 10 miles here so now no filtration of carbons is unhealthy . Without windmills no need for power line towers .

Maximus · Post by **Maximus** » Tue Feb 07, 2017 1:37 pm

Anyone who takes or considers money from the project has a moral and ethical obligation for due diligence prior to signing a contract. The reality is, when money is involved, chances are you're already impaired and your judgement blurred.

First flag should of been why did the GEA remove all municipality rights. Shady as black right there!

The government is not the end all be all. Never have been and never will be. They are the government after all. Trust should always be on reserve when money is involved within governing bodies.

If you accept money for any portion of the construction of a wind farm there is a thing I call the greed seed; The ability to accept money despite knowing right from wrong.
How big your plant from the seed grows is dependent on you, the land lease owner.

With an incredible amount of information readily available at your finger tips, guilty as charged IMO.

But like anyone and everyone who has accepted dirty money, it is justified and rationalized.

Shnookie · Post by **Shnookie** » Wed Feb 08, 2017 12:16 pm

Maximus wrote:QR_BBPOST If they won't have adequate wind for 90% of the time they won't go up.

I live here. The wind blows almost all the time. As you can see in my picture there is not much to stop wind. I'm planning to move as soon as I can find somewhere I want to go, and sell this place. They said they did wind studies a couple years ago (and a supposed environmental study that found no concerns). A lot of the farmers who have signed contracts with Invenergy don't live on the farm at all (they live in Regina or another close community), or only live there for the summer. They are all grain farmers, no livestock or mixed farmers.