Have you seen this before?

Farrier1987 · Post by **Farrier1987** » Mon Jan 02, 2017 7:27 pm

Seems legit. Wonder if any of the people listed have published on this subject? They also have an economics and business admin program. Most universities that get involved with this kind of thing can usually help find someone to get it off the ground too. They will have contacts with industry and money people, and usually industry doesn't care about the processes, they worry about will it make money for them. Checking out GreenNH3 on the net, they have been around since at least 2010, patents in 2014. You would think that if this is viable from a business perspective, that he wouldn't have a problem.

The government subsidizes ethanol production from corn, that has a negative energy balance, why not this? The negative energy balance I speak of is about a gallon and a half of diesel and other energy go into a gallon of ethanol, via tractors, trucks, fertilizer, natural gas etc to make something that has only about 60% of the energy per gallon compared to diesel. Its stuff like this that the public doesn't always realize, and I expect a lot of the electric car stuff will be the same. Goes back to the a physics maxim. Energy cannot be created of destroyed, it only changes form. So how much energy goes into making this NH3, and where does that energy come from?

Again, I hope there is something here that could work, but I don't have the information to make a judgement.

Maximus · Post by **Maximus** » Mon Jan 02, 2017 8:03 pm

They are totally legit. I've been researching. They have an email address on their page. pure@bell.net

My thing is, whenever someone comes up with a new idea, a new way, it is received with such caution and speculation that it makes it almost impossible to get any traction.

This method would mean less 'fear' instilled in OIL IS RUNNING OUT. Oh no! Drive the price up. Control. Manipulation. Fear mongering. Tax tax tax. money money money. War death and environmental disasters.

If there is water, there is human life. With no water, no life. I'm not sure how this concept is that much different than 'hydrogen fuel' and this is also met with such resistance it's silly.

Just because it isn't coal and oil doesn't mean they are invalid scientists or Shiesters.
Also if you look on the site they have been using the green gas as they call it, for over 50 years on the farms and even more years in research.

They are totally legit. I've been researching. They have an email address on their page.

My thing is, whenever someone comes up with a new idea, a new way, it is received with such caution and speculation that it makes it almost impossible to get any traction.

This method would mean less 'fear' instilled in the masses - OIL IS RUNNING OUT. Oh no! Drive the price up. Control. Manipulation. Fear mongering.
If there is water, there is human life. With no water, no life. I'm not sure how this concept is that much different than 'hydrogen fuel' and this is also met with such resistance it's silly.

Just because it isn't coal and oil doesn't mean they are invalid scientists or shiesters.

Also if you look on the site they have been using the green gas as they call it, for over 50 years on the farms and even more years in research.

Change is needed. One way or another change will happen and the less control the government has over it the better. But how do we make it happen? How do we make the change?

The work is done, the ingredients and methods are basically handed to us ... how do we embrace it?

Innovation. Change. Freedom.

I need a nap!

Maximus · Post by **Maximus** » Mon Jan 02, 2017 11:36 pm

I think the problem with ethonal is that it takes up growing acres for human/animal crops.
Josh Tickle (I think that's his name) ran his car on used oils from fast food joints.

"Two 5.9 liter Cummins engines were fueled for a combined total of more than 80,467 km (50,000 miles). One truck. a 1991 Dodge, has heen driven approximately 48,280 km (30.000 miles). The other, a 1992 Dodge, has been driven approximately 32,187 km (20,000 miles). Fueling these engines with soydiesel increase engine power by 3 percent (1991 engine) and reduced power by 6 percent ( 1992 engine). The pickups averaged more than 7.1 km/L (16.7 mpg). Analysis of used engine oil samples indicated that the engines were wearing at normal rate. Fe black exhaust smoke normally observed when a diesel engine accelerates W;LS reduced as much as 86 percent when the diesel engine was fueled with 100% soydiesel. Increased EPA exhaust emissions requirements for diesel engines have created much interest in the use of soydiesel as a fuel for diesel engines."

So we also have soy (poop doesn't belong in the food system) that can power vehicles.
I'll have to look into my old computer because there are these power generators that can be fuelled by soy to power homes.

windwalkingwolf · Post by **windwalkingwolf** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 1:33 am

The government is NOT interested in alternate fuels sources, period, because they don't have any good excuses yet to tax the crap out of us for them. The only way an alternative like this one is going to gain any ground is to make the whole process accessible and affordable (both the 'manufacture' of the fuel, and engine conversion to said fuel) to the general public. They need little machines that the average Joe can afford and can plonk in their backyard, and a conversion kit that anybody that can change a spark plug, can install. For this project, government involvement would be counterproductive, except in the case of environmental and safety studies, which are absolutely necessary. The only possible way I can see something like this ever getting off the ground, is crowd funding. And for crowd funding to be even close to successful, they're going to have to market a lot more heavily than some tiny blurb about writing our MPs that nobody will ever see unless they're 'poultry friends' with someone who's hobby is to ferret stuff like that out :D

windwalkingwolf · Post by **windwalkingwolf** » Wed Jan 04, 2017 1:21 pm

P.s. The guys on Mythbusters ran a diesel Mercedes car on used fry oil...Untreated, not preheated, and if I recall, only strained in the most rudimentary fashion. Not to say anyone SHOULD do this, just that they can lol. But anyway, in some places, biodiesel is huge, and restaurant that used to pay to have their dirty oil taken away, are now charging for it. If you can get your hands on (or make yourself) a gravity drip oil-fired heater, you can heat your shop or cottage for practically nothing. Anything that burns diesel will burn vegetable oil, it just takes a little more heat to get it started.