So there. Eat MORE beef, lol.

ross · Post by **ross** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 8:34 pm

Oh yes , beef forever has been a well to do mans meat cause of being most cost to finish less on grass & time restricts that . No not singleing out any type of meat . Certain types of handling can be done better , back in the 70's in Turner Valley Alberta a fellow cowboy & I designed & built a cattle handling system out of logs , 2 circular holding pens ,shute to head gate & out to pasture again all natural for cattle cause they were heading downhill & to last place they felt safe ( natural instinct .) . Similar I see to what this lady , seen her on tv, talks about . It's the loose housing , less in feedlots , free range pigs etc, etc etc that will ad to costs & then as now cheaper meat will be imported as long as gov doesn't make all who want into our market abides by same rules .i don't have the answer it's a tangled web with activists & corporations but it is what it is & needs to be done carefully & looking beyond the now but into the future .
. All involved have to look beyond the immediate satisfaction to what may occur .

Ex .. Saw a video by a animal especially Lion activist & group in Botswana about more lions than ever have been killed in that area since they banned commercial / trophy hunting back in 2000 I think it was . Before they had a very , very large animal sanctuary protecting lions & around it were farmer/farmers raising cheap cattle their to feed the European MKT .At the time the highest price Pd to hunt lion was 700,000$ by a European usually all toll 100-200+
Thousand . The farmer got some of this to compensate loss of cattle if lion got them , gov & others I'm sure crooks as someone's gonna say got a lot to . But the lions did well & the rural economy to . When the commercial hunting was banned the cattle farmer had to protect his cattle so as they attack & got bolder cause of no pressure he took to shooting them as they appeared & in 6 short yrs the population had dropped drastically . The mans last words were , it really didn't matter to the lion if it was a 700,000$ bullet or a farmers 2$ bullet , dead is dead . He also said as much as he hates commercial (as he called it)hunting there had to be a better way .You can't just take away or increase the price of a persons livelihood with out some kinda a compensation . Wow hope this fits & hope food for thought not arguing . Not
Sure how cows got there in body of this I must a touched something . Spooky ,just figured BULL-ET

Luck

kortispoultry · Post by **kortispoultry** » Thu Dec 24, 2015 10:49 am

Skinny rooster wrote:What do we want!?!
Animal rights!!!
When do we want it!?!
After the barbecue!!!

I love my steaks, can't live without them!!! It's about time that the farmer starts being paid what he or she should be paid!! Why is it always the middle "person" that makes the most money for doing the least?

Post by **Killerbunny** » Fri Sep 02, 2016 8:41 pm

Just saw this by accident. We eat grass fed beef raised by a local guy. Grass fed has a different fatty acid profile ( "healthier") to corn fed
beef. Also for us it only travels a few hundred yards to slaughter which I feel is very humane! And those of you who have tasted it (PTO pikniK) know about the flavour.

WaupoosCowgirl · Post by **WaupoosCowgirl** » Wed Sep 07, 2016 8:16 am

"The farmer is the only man in our economy who buys everything at retail, sells everything at wholesale, pays the freight both ways." -John F. Kennedy
Isn't that the truth!

Chasinthedream · Post by **Chasinthedream** » Wed Sep 07, 2016 10:19 am

Yup. brain food.

Beef prices will be low for a while as there is a feed shortage. The price should spike again next year. Fingers crossed.
My grass-fed Galloway take 24-30months and they have a great life. They wouldn't exist if it weren't for the occasional sacrifice.

WaupoosCowgirl · Post by **WaupoosCowgirl** » Wed Sep 07, 2016 10:40 am

Sadly our 10/11 month olds are being sold for freezer beef this fall, some people are going to get some amazing young beef to keep them fed over the winter. We will keep our bull and bred cows and hope for better weather next year. We have just had to fork over about $7000 for hay...but you cant just pack up when you have so much time invested in getting your herd where you want them!

nekoatsume · Post by **nekoatsume** » Thu Sep 08, 2016 11:24 pm

I eat meat (with the exception of pork.. My other rule is no baby anything). That said.. I don't think the researchers have considered "correlation does not equal causation".. People who are prone to mental health concerns, depression, anxiety, etc. maybe, are kind of empathetic, sensitive people? More so than the general population, I'm saying. Awareness is despairness? You can't deny that animals don't feel pain and don't suffer AT ALL through going from farm to table.

Post by **Killerbunny** » Fri Sep 09, 2016 6:31 am

You're right. I just try to minimise the stress for the birds when that day comes. It's well known with pork that if they get stressed it ruins the met - PSA, pale sweaty exudative - meat.

windwalkingwolf · Post by **windwalkingwolf** » Sat Sep 10, 2016 11:03 pm

nekoatsume wrote:QR_BBPOST That said.. I don't think the researchers have considered "correlation does not equal causation".. People who are prone to mental health concerns, depression, anxiety, etc. maybe, are kind of empathetic, sensitive people? More so than the general population, I'm saying. Awareness is despairness? You can't deny that animals don't feel pain and don't suffer AT ALL through going from farm to table.

Perhaps a valid point...perhaps the depression comes from the subconscious realization that we have to kill to live, whether animals, plants or both, and perhaps guilt over choosing what is perceived as a lesser of two evils? When a plant is damaged, it "screams" chemically. Is it better to kill and eat plants because we can't hear or see the evidence of pain?

Bayvistafarm · Post by **Bayvistafarm** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 12:13 pm

Of course animals suffer when they are taken in to be processed. Not one thing on this planet likes a traumatic change like that. Even when I grab a chicken to kill for the table. That split second it takes to off it, has the poor thing wondering what the ........

The older I get, the worse I feel about the whole thing. I hate to see animals suffer, so I take consolation in the fact that I raise them right... and they are all happy, well bedded... fly sprayed.... lots of feed/sun/room to roam... before their life ends.

And, believe me, its hard to say goodbye and imagine,... well, its not imagining, I've seen cattle of mine come off the trailer at the auction... many many animals, bawling/crowding/moving.....I just cannot go and watch my old girls go thru that. There is one old girl, who is a real big pet... and she will be put down and buried on the farm, no matter how many $$ she will put in the bank.

Makes me teary eyed just thinking about her, and how much time she has left. But right now, shes just perfectly fine, albeit old.

Plants however? I will torture a weed first.... before I eventually dig it out. Does anyone realize that you can just about pull any weed out of the ground whether the tap root is long or not? You have to grab it, and pull it right out, the first time. If you don't manage to get it out, I swear the damn thing hangs on. And if you touch/damage plants beside it before you get it out, those will NOT come out easy either. Its like they know/tell each other whats happening. Weeds are smart. A rag weed will get 95 story's tall... if its unhampered right from the get go... with millions of seeds.

This time of year, that same plant can be 1/2 cm high, and still make seeds, lol. Smart. And velvet leaf is just obnoxious all the way around.

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