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Poultryprincess · Post by **Poultryprincess** » Mon May 30, 2016 9:18 am

The Biggest "head shaker" I see, is the pool heater & pumps are going & the AC is purring....& NO ONE IS HOME!!!!
NOT that there's anything Wrong with that - ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Doug The Chickenman · Post by **Doug The Chickenman** » Mon May 30, 2016 10:40 am

When we replaced the furnace in 2009 due to the incentives going on it was the same price to have Geothermal installed as it was to replace the oil furnace and tank. So Our hydro went up by 50-100 a month but we not only have heat but now Ac and the side effect of dehumidifier.
we still use a 26" fan at the bottom of the basement stairs blowing cool air up stairs. We also noticed when we reroofed last year that changing the roof color from a black to a light grey helped to keep the temps lower as well.
The Basement stays at 18 all year and the upstairs is about 22-24 for the summer and about 20 for the winter.

Post by **Killerbunny** » Mon May 30, 2016 11:06 am

We looked at the latest incentive programme (2015) from hydro. They said $5-$8k for a heat pump and install with incentive. We had the rep come around who said it would actually be in the region of 18-25K!!!!! So I don't know where they are getting their figures from.

Doug The Chickenman · Post by **Doug The Chickenman** » Mon May 30, 2016 11:32 am

Mine was 22K but there were 15K worth of incentives between the provincial and Federal.
New Oil Tanks was to be 5k and then new furnace as the 1985 one was dying. It was in the house when we bought it and new they would have to be replaced.

Post by **poultry_admin** » Thu Jun 02, 2016 7:17 pm

An attempt at the testing I did. - 48% cost reduction.
Baseline is Friday May 27th with about 31deg C outside temp and sunshine all day long (very little cloud).
Comparison day is Monday May 30th with very similar conditions. Now, I am careful with that statement, because to me engineer it's close enough to be meaningful, to a scientist on the other hand..... Anyhow, we had similar temps (+- 0.5 deg), wind, and sunshine hours and sunshine energy.
So the heat load is the same.

On Friday we had an off peak cost of 1.4971 $/hr on average and spent 28kWh ($5.03) during the mid peak and peak times on AC. The cooling was set for 22degC and the AC had no problem holding it. Except for the 2 hours in peak time where I turned it off. I have assumed them to be similar to the hours before and after in the calculation above.

During the weekend I did some more playing and found that the temperature rise of 1 deg every 2 hrs works even for a 6 hr span.

For Monday I did a few changes:
crank the AC in the morning during mid peak time. It went down to 18deg in the house. Then turn off during the peak hours (red). During that the house temp went. Then I cranked it again getting down to 22 deg in the next 3 hrs. The thermostat for the red time was set to 25deg. It never hit it.
For that day we had $2.60 extra cost for AC.

So where does this savings come from?
Well, that Monday cycle only used 13.1 kWH for AC. Compared to Friday's 28kWh (53% reduction).
To make this fair, I need to find a constant setpoint, maybe 24 deg or so, where I only use 13kWh of electricity to cool the house. Meh, that's not really correct either.

Hmmm.... glad it's not 31 out there anymore, so I didn't even have it on the last few days...
The other aspect is the fact that the Monday cycle had a pretty big swing in temps inside the house. Not sure that that is good for our health either. It's quite the wall you walk into form 18degC to 31 deg C. I think I might be limited by the speed of the system response. The house takes a long time to change temperature to really find a good savings this way.

So then it turns into a game of 3.5kWh per hour during beak time vs. 2.0 kWhs per hour. Now the 1.5kWh can be moved to the time slot before, but needs a thermostat with many more schedule change times than mine has. And the savings are minimal @ 1.5kWh = approx. 7 cents per hour. Or best case 42 cents electricity or ~85 cents full cost.

Much more important is the increase of temperature in the house to keep it comfortable, not crazy cold; but reasonable!

You guys were onto something all long.

And with the $2.50/day range I am at now, it's much more reasonable. I don't think I can get to the level of $1.40/day for hatching eggs in a sportsman incubator. But I am close enough.

Ontario Chick · Post by **Ontario Chick** » Thu Jun 02, 2016 8:03 pm

I would like you to take in to consideration and add to your calculations a possibility that while you were bringing the temperature down in the house, there was a sudden polar vortex which you didn't notice and you have now super-cooled Kathy and really, you could have just opened the windows.

Poultryprincess · Post by **Poultryprincess** » Thu Jun 02, 2016 10:17 pm

Ontario Chick wrote:QR_BBPOST I would like you to take in to consideration and add to your calculations a possibility that while you were bringing the temperature down in the house, there was a sudden polar vortex which you didn't notice and you have now super-cooled Kathy and really, you could have just opened the windows.

Hee Hee hee hee hee

Post by **poultry_admin** » Fri Jun 03, 2016 7:05 am

Ontario Chick wrote:QR_BBPOST I would like you to take in to consideration and add to your calculations a possibility that while you were bringing the temperature down in the house, there was a sudden polar vortex which you didn't notice and you have now super-cooled Kathy and really, you could have just opened the windows.

Post by **WLLady** » Fri Jun 03, 2016 10:30 am

well, super cooling was right....i was actually going OUTSIDE TO WARM UP! where's the hot flash when ya need one??!!??!! LOL. i thought about getting a sweater to sit in the house, and then thought this is just plain wrong, i'll slip outside and warm up and then thought this is just plain wrong....again....um.

i have no idea what the final verdict was with that long post, except that 1) the wife was cold when the house was cold (and remarked on it too) and 2) the house did indeed warm up over the day; and 3) there's money involved either way; and 4) the sportsman is still better on money than the ac and i enjoy the stuff that comes out of the sportsman a whole lot more than the stuff that comes out of the furnace LOL

Ontario Chick · Post by **Ontario Chick** » Fri Jun 03, 2016 11:49 am

WLLady wrote:QR_BBPOST well, super cooling was right....i was actually going OUTSIDE TO WARM UP! where's the hot flash when ya need one??!!??!! LOL. i thought about getting a sweater to sit in the house, and then thought this is just plain wrong, i'll slip outside and warm up and then thought this is just plain wrong....again....um.

i have no idea what the final verdict was with that long post, except that 1) the wife was cold when the house was cold (and remarked on it too) and 2) the house did indeed warm up over the day; and 3) there's money involved either way; and 4) the sportsman is still better on money than the ac and i enjoy the stuff that comes out of the sportsman a whole lot more than the stuff that comes out of the furnace LOL

For both me & DH