Hydro Rates

TomK · Post by **TomK** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 8:00 pm

Being off the grid here, i have a crapload of LED bulbs in use...i think they are awesome...not sure how they might be spying on me...i think the total of all my bulbs in the entire house might add up to 300 watts and thats if they are al on, which is never the case anyway...took me a long time to find an LED bulb to fit inside the outdoor glass enclosed sconce lamps...but the power consumption is really low in lighting...its not economical to switch over to LED tho to save electric costs..they are still quite expensive and the numbers just don't add up...yet!!!...

Post by **Home Grown Poultry** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 8:39 pm

how an LED bulb works makes it possible to act as a microphone, not a camera. which can be transmitted up to 300 feet with all the tech inside. all that one has to do for a regular ordinary led diode is tune into the leds frequency to pick up the audio.

what makes it such a conspiricy is how the gvmts went about pushing them in our face. then raise the hydro cost forcing people into considering to use them. soon cfls will be outlawd as well.

I use cfls and always have since they were available. I also dont buy into all the negative aspects associated with them. sure theres mercury in them... Im more concerned about the mercury and heavy metals in the fish I consume. incandescent bulbs had 1 working part. the filiment, simple, but sure inefficient.

Lake Boutou in Mongolia is the result of all the worlds tech, especially those magnets in the wind turbines. that's something we really need to worry about. not many people know about that lake or how it was made but it will make your head spin around. I guess one country had to take the hit for the world, otherwise we wouldnt have all these cheap magnets and lithium batteries.

if I was off grid I'd do a 12 volt lighting system just like an rv. my trailer is converted into leds and instead of charging a battery every week I now only charge it once a year. im 90% shade there which is good and bad. but I have a decent set of solar panels that keep the battery at 12.7 which I can live with.

I do like Leds I just dont like everything else surounding it... I wonder when our country is going to realize that happy citizens are more productive. hard to be happy when your saving every penny to pay Hydro bills!

Maximus · Post by **Maximus** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 8:43 pm

http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... -concerns/

https://webberenergyblog.wordpress.com/ ... or-cancer/

baronrenfrew · Post by **baronrenfrew** » Tue Sep 13, 2016 12:50 am

hydro rates.... The big scam was in the late 90's (actually one of many). A "power workers" union rep figured that many (or most) could take an exit "retirement" package ($400,000 to $700,000 per employee) on Friday, and come back in at full pay as a "consultant" on Monday .....so they did. (I'll take one please.) this raided the pension plan, so Hydro had to "top up" the pension with a debt issue. Thus the "debt retirement charge" which should have been paid long ago.

The solar and wind installations by themselves are not responsible for much of the current rates. The grid was largely built in the 1960's and was due to be rebuilt. Premier Bob Rae ignored the problem (1990 to 1995) as his "political capital" was euchred when the "province" swallowed the debt for the skydome (only 400 million) and then quickly sold it to a business group (Labatt's) for $151 million. Rogers later bought the stadium for $25 Million.

I digress back to hydro: Premier Mike Harris (1995 to 2002) tried to sell Hydro (to "balance" the budget and avoid necessary upgrades) but the sale only happened after he left office http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-o ... ice=mobile
And since then we've been suckers. (And I didn't mention Dalton McGuinty!)

Only Dalton McGuinty could take a new "state of the art" coal burning plant (Thunder Bay) and "greenwash it" by shutting it down and reopen it to run on steamed wood chips (imported from Finland?! Because no one here steams their chips). Who pays for it? Hydro customers!

Unplug me please!

windwalkingwolf · Post by **windwalkingwolf** » Tue Sep 13, 2016 1:12 am

The hydro rates are one of my hot button issues, even when completely off-grid. Since being back on, I'm about apoplectic. The gov't.s idea of "relief" for 'low income earners' is beyond laughable, and cutting the tax in half, instead of doing something ACTUALLY useful like cutting rates and delivery charges in half...especially when THEY ARE PAYING OTHER STATES AND PROVINCES TO TAKE THE EXTRA POWER WE ARE PAYING FOR, they're taking OUR money and using it not only to pay other people to use what they're over charging us for, but to pay 6 and 7 figure salaries to the fothermuckers who got us into this mess in the first place. If I used ZERO power in a month, delivery charges would mean my bill would be $130...which is more than the average comparably sized household power bill of two other provinces.

TomK · Post by **TomK** » Tue Sep 13, 2016 6:43 am

Just reading Sandy's story on the folks forced into selling the cottage...some bad advice there...too late of course...baseboard heaters are the worst, mainly because they never really turn off...and it would have been far smarter to just have someone come in to drain the water system for the winter and turn off the main breaker, its what we do here every year...there's still the delivery charge but its still manageable (for now)...the media has a zillion of these stories now but the politicians don't really care...or they haven't figured out who's actually in charge like we already have...cuz it ain't the politicians

Maximus · Post by **Maximus** » Tue Sep 13, 2016 7:12 am

Just to fuel the fire:

In a recent post on the website www.windconcerns.ca, Gallant points out the government paid $200 million in June to dump electricity at a loss.

Gallant, vice-president of Wind Concerns, estimates 1.9 terawatts (TWh) of Ontario’s electricity production (15.2% of Ontario’s demand of 10.6 TWh) was exported to Michigan, New York and Quebec, in June.

Ontario was paid $29.1 million for those exports. Unfortunately, it cost provincial ratepayers $249.9 million to produce that same electricity.

Here’s the math: Ontario exported the power at the Hourly Ontario Electricity Price (HOEP) of $15.31/megawatt hour (MWh) or 1.53 cents per kilowatt hour (kWh) for $29.1 million. However, the cost to produce and transmit that 1.9 TWh, was $131.43/MWh (13.14 cents/kWh) — or $249.9 million.

“Most of that wound up in the big (and growing) pot referred to as the Global Adjustment (GA),” Gallant reports.

“So Ontario’s electricity ratepayers picked up the difference of $221 million, which when added to our export losses for the prior five months of 2015, brought costs to almost $1.1 billion for the first six months of 2015,” Gallant said.

So by my calculations, our hydro should be FING free!!!

Maximus · Post by **Maximus** » Tue Sep 13, 2016 7:13 am

Here's, the link if anyone is interested. Why aren't we up in arms nd losing our

in front of wynne office? Why has this not caused an uproar? WHY WHY WHY?????

http://www.torontosun.com/2015/08/12/on ... ty-in-june

Dominion Link · Post by **Dominion Link** » Tue Sep 13, 2016 9:27 am

http://www.opg.com/about/finance/pages/ ... ports.aspx

OPG's financial reports are available online for all to research. Usually pages 4 or 5 is where you'll find the rates that OPG gets for its nuclear, thermal and hydro electricity generation. The most current quarterly report has OPG receiving an average of 6.9 cents per kWh, as of the end of June 2016.

Bruce Power averages 40% higher rates than OPG. The solar and wind generators are from 3 to 12 times higher rates than OPG. As far as generation rates go, OPG's low rates are mediating the higher prices of Bruce Power and the "green" generators. Pickering Nuclear was scheduled to be shut down permanently by the end of 2020. That has been pushed back to 2022. When the inexpensive base load power from Pickering is removed from the equation, there will be another spike in our bills as we get closer to paying the rates of Bruce, solar and wind.

The grid has been under maintained for years now, but with the commercial solar and wind operations coming online throughout the province, the grid has to be upgraded (as opposed to just rebuilt) to accommodate the added generation being tied in where it was not designed to be. The grid has to be upgraded from the point of tie in to the nearest transformer station- which usually has to be upgraded as well. The current cost to upgrade one span of line, which is roughly 160' between poles, is about $10,000. A friend of mine is a recently retired Hydro One foreman and the longest "green" energy upgrade he had been in charge of was 22 kms.

We have lost control of when electricity is being produced across the province. We have lost the flexibility of having all our former thermal plants available to ramp up or down capacity as required. We are paying too much to Bruce Power and obscene rates to wind and solar. And, we are paying untold billions to upgrade the grid to accommodate wind and solar.

Maximus · Post by **Maximus** » Tue Sep 13, 2016 10:18 pm

The rural routes will be blasted again.

http://globalnews.ca/news/2937675/rural ... te-rebate/