Poultry Talk Ontario (pto.ca)

What's your local gas price? Ours went from 101 right before New Years to 115.9 Jan 1st. Early part of December it was well under $1.
I'm pretty good at math ... this doesn't add up.
This increase for cap & trade is not the 4-5 cents we were told.

Its 4-5 cents per liter cap and trade. And another 5 cents for the gouging into profits and another 5 cents for the extra paperwork.

Gotta love a tax on taxes! I know I sure do.

and this is why we will never see any kind of free / clean energy make it to market plain n simple. there may be WAY better options but then they cant scam us into paying taxes for nonexsistant problems. Canada only pretendes to care about the environment, its all about the MONEY! no amount of money will ever reduce carbon out put by taxing it, but energy free from carbon exhaust couldnt have a carbon tax applied to it now could it. imagine if we all had our own clean energy fuel cell, a technology that exsists today, heck many forms of clean / free energy have been around for 100 years but nope, there is no money (tax) in it.

In theory a carbon tax is a good idea: tax people for bad behaviour (smoking) and untax them for good behaviour (reduce payroll taxes like EI). A carbon tax has been in action in BC for a couple of years now and the consensus is that its not bad for business. If done right it would work well.
However this government has shown it can't do anything right (we've had all the arguments listed of how this gov't has buggered up programs and blown money). And its an insult to add a carbon tax on top of the mess they made of hydro.

The real problem is that the carbon tax revenue comes in and goes where? Is the money sent offshore to subsidize somebody's "green" ideas in another province/country?
Hydro raised prices after revenue went down because people cut consumption.

Scandinavian countries have shown us that green taxes and policies work well if done right. They had to pass a law that garbage MUST be sold to the closest buyer. Yes, that's right, companies BUY the garbage from municipalities to burn in local incinerators to make hydro. Local garbage gone, local power produced, waste heat heats local houses, new generation tech means no tailpipe emissions. How much Toronto garbage gets dumped in Michigan now that its moved in regular semi-trucks so its "invisible?"

Sewage? Why it goes to ethanol plants that make fuel so less oil imported and less sewage to mess up local rivers. Ottawa only dumped 800 million litres of "combined sewage discharge" into the river in 2014, and 300 million in 2015 (Ottawa Citizen Aug 21)

Green programs if done right work great. If done wrong people turn against the green technology as well as against the gov't that brings it in.

Baron, please stop this crazy talk, you're making sense and that will just not do in Ontario. First I think you need a committee, now it will be total coincidence that most of those people will have worked for Dalton Migotyourcheck so don't worry, this committee will thoroughly study the next seven committees that get set up to study where all this extra revenue went and why not a thing was actually done to help the environment while everyone took selfies after each meeting.

Here's a piece of a related article:

"Here’s the problem: Swedes (as well as Germans, Danes, the Dutch and Belgians) have become so good at recycling that there’s no longer enough garbage to meet the heating plants’ needs. Sweden now has to import the trash that most other countries are trying to dispose of — some 800,000 tons in 2014, up from 550,000 tons in 2010, according to Avfall Sverige."

"And though garbage-infused smoke sounds highly poisonous, thanks to electric filters that give the particles a negative electric charge, in Sweden the smoke is almost entirely nontoxic carbon dioxide and water, which are cleaned again before release."

"Because waste in landfills generates methane, a concentrated form of CO2, the Swedish municipal association estimates that every ton of imported garbage — which would otherwise have been decomposing in landfills — saves 1,100 pounds of CO2 equivalent. Even if ships were to travel specifically to deliver this garbage, the trade would still end up a net positive for the environment."

These are exerpts from an article on Al-Jazeera so here's the article.
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2 ... nergy.html

Notice my tag line" Seek the truth in all things."
When our politicians talk my meter bounces off the redline.