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[Maximus]

QR_BBPOST What is wrong with not wanting to eat GMOs or roundup? I think it's great that consumers are asking questions and making informed decisions about what they eat. It sure beats going along like a bunch of lemmings.

I'm with Wendy & Bert. Question. Inform yourself and be aware.

GMO is not 'good' honest science. It has not rid the world of starvation like it has 'promised'.
GMO's and the required chemicals is nothing more than a controlling money maker, it is making corporations rich. When was the last time you saw a RICH farmer?

Just because GMO's are everywhere doesn't mean it is a good thing or even the right thing. That's like saying well now that heavy metals and run off from crop sprays is in our drinking water so it's ok. It's a chemical. End of the day, it has consequences we have yet to fully experince.

just remember, the same government thinking said smoking was a good thing, stress reliever and promoted it. It also promoted DDT.

Cancer is a disease that millions of people make a living off of. A very good living. At the expense of our children, sisters, brothers, parents and for some, ourselves. It's repulsive to me that the suffering, dying of our families is keeping corporations in business and nice homes etc. It's not a conspiracy theory. It's proven. Cancer is a multi billion dollar industry. But keep walking, keep raising those funds, keep drinking Gatorade on those runs, walks, bikes, keep buying foods heavily produced with GMO's....you're doing exactly what you've been programmed to do.

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If your light bulb doesn't go on, maybe you should switch your bulb. Just make sure it is the energy efficient ones, because we all know we can barely afford frigging hydro anymore.

[WLLady]

but just because you have a GMO doesn't mean you have to spray it.....
LOTS of GMOs are beneficial-your antibiotics for instance are made by GMO yeast and bacteria. without it we would never be able to produce enough antibiotics to supply those that need them. Same with a lot of the newer therapies for things like lupus etc, those antibodies are produced in GMOs.
Just saying if you want to grab a non-GMO cob of corn, well, you better find some maize from a cave somewhere...because you won't find it in any quantity anywhere around here. I think something way more important is to avoid the sprays and chemicals, not the GMOs per say. one reason i grow my own. yes, my carrots are GMO against carrot fly....but i don't spray....if i didn't grow GMO carrots i would not get any. From my perspective it's not the "GMO" per se, but the means by which it is grown. if it's sprayed with who knows what, or grown in contaminated soil, or whatever that's way worse (again, just my opinion).

[Maximus]

I agree. The dangers of crop chemicals COULD far outweigh the dangers of GMO's. I admit it's 100% presumable on my end to assume that. But how would we know when independent science isn't conducted. Worse, it isn't allowed. The truth is suprressed. The truth speakers are destroyed.

Why are the seed/chemical corporations protected? Think about that. The GMO corporations are protected. PROTECTED. Why do they need protection? You can't sue them. It's not that they require special insurance, you can't touch them!

We do snow removal. Mother Nature. Some winters are very difficult to win the battle with Mother Nature. We aren't protected. We have 2 law suits tied up in insurance right now. Slip and falls happen while we are removing snow in the middle of a snow storm. Don't give a , sue. They will get money. And we will pay the higher rates. We aren't protected. But a corrupt corporation is. Sounds about right.

GMO's suppress the immune system. This is in labs. Proven. No one listens. The chemicals that support GMO planting are endrocrine disrupters, gut flora destroyers, ETC. And the ETC is a BIG List.

Maybe if we didn't give antibotics to our feed (animals) and raised more ethically, raise conventionally, there would be enough antibiotics for the human population. Maybe. Why have some countries/provinces removed antibiotics from some feed for some animal species? Because immunity to those antibiotics is created in the humans upon consumption, and leaked into waterways and can not be removed from municipal drinking water. Maybe if our water, that is considered safe, wasn't full of pharmaceuticals we wouldn't build an immunity to anotbitocs and allow super bugs to modify at an alarming fast rate. Maybe if our immune systems weren't suppressed and altered via chemicals, pollution, GMO's etc. We could live healthier lives and have a lesser dependency on antibiotics. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. But one thing I know for sure, as long as it makes money 'we' will never part with it.

Remember GMO's are altered DNA within a plant. This is serious. You are CHEMICALLY inducing a change, changing the DNA structure. This is not natural evolution. This is not natural selection. This is not survival of the strongest. This is unproven-safe, dangerous and reckless engineering.

Right now, humans are in the middle of the biggest science experiment that has ever been executed. Ever. Did you give consent? I sure as hell didn't.

[Maximus]

Side note: GMO of a seed is often altered at the DNA (or/and RNA?) level with the DNA disease the crop suffers from, or a resistent or killer DNA is inserted into the seed/DNA. So maybe you aren't eating a chemically sprayed product but are you eating a safe product?

How is a seed all of a sudden resistent to a bug? Altering DNA.

My head is going to explode.

[WLLady]

alright....so i think what you are taking about sandy are "transgenics". There's a difference. A huge difference. This is exactly what i think is a big problem with this issue...people don't really understand what a GMO is. If the issue is with something that has a gene put into it to confer something (like resistance or increased growth) that is from a DIFFERENT organism--that is a TRANSGENIC. that is not "natural". Mother nature DOES do this to some extent in bacteria-they switch things called "cassettes" with other bacteria to get resistent to antibiotics. They do this through mating with other bacteria that carry that cassette. This is natural, a mother nature selected trait. Bacteria and viruses can do this-and quite efficiently. But mammals, insects, amphibians etc, not so much. If a scientist puts a human growth hormone gene into a bacteria in order to produce the growth hormone from the bacteria (for example) this is called a TRANSGENIC. Same if a scientist puts a salmon growth hormone gene into a rainbow trout that is a TRANSGENIC.

So. Round up ready-this is a transgenic. The round up ready gene was on purposely put into the plants to confer resistence to round up. Yes, that is a GMO, but all transgenics are GMOs. they're man made. GMOs ALSO include genetically modified plants that occur through natural pollination-like my one summer squash plant is actually a hybrid between pumpkin and summer squash. That is technically a GMO. So, i think (and i might be wrong) that your (and most people's) beef is with the transgenics....the organisms MADE BY MAN putting something into the genome. Putting something in that wasn't there in the first place and couldn't get there through selective breeding.

[Killerbunny]

I think Selective Breeding is a much better phrase for things achieved by natural selection and would cause less confusion.
Please educate me about transgenic beef - yikes? In the UK we used to achieve a certain requirement by crossing Charolais and Angus to get the correct lean to marbling ratio. 40 years ago I might add.
I do think the farmer is in a total bind now. People want cheap food (but will pay a fortune for crap pop and candy) and the farmer is in debt up to their XXX so has to go with the system. Around here the hedgerows are being ripped out again for the larger machinery and yet in Europe, where hedgerows were ripped out in the 50's and 60's they are being replanted to combat soil erosion.
AT least I can grow my own food even if my GMO? Red Pontiacs aren't scab resistant LOL!

[WLLady]

I really do wish the anti-GMO guys would use anti-Transgenic....but i work in science, i'm a science geek and quite a bit OCD on the terminology. The only thing is a selectively bred animal is also a GMO under the "anti-GMO" people's definition of anything that has a gene that shouldn't be there...
gah!

i use selective breeding for exactly what you are saying KB....and transgenic for those with genes from another organism included. And GMO for ALL...because it is genetically modified....so if we are debating transgenics instead of GMOs, i'm on board with trying to avoid them, but if we are talking about the classical defined GMO (which includes selectively bred) then i really don't get their arguments, because to me they are totally different things....
sometimes i hate being 1) OCD; 2) a scientist; 3) anal.
LOL

[goatgal35]

Regardless of the term or name you give it, if mother nature didn't make it I don't want to eat it. If it took a lab to build it, it ain't food IMO. We deserve to know what we are eating. If round up ready is so wonderful, why aren't they proudly labeling the products in the store and teaching us about the benefits they claim it possesses? For every article that is pro something I am sure you can find and article that is anti said product. I think is great that consumers are taking an interest in the food they purchase and asking questions. Now back to making salsa with my home-grown open pollinated produce.
P.S. I do like hear all points of view on this topic. My opinions are just that. Mine. It is not my intention to offend anyone.

[Killerbunny]

Just saw an advert for Blue Buffalo and it struck me as interesting how people can be misled. They all jumped on the "deboned chicken" and thought that sounded great. I don't think they really understood what it was LOL!

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The new "Fear Mongering " type of advertising . KB , even heard they have a feed with alligator meat in it . Luck