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Re: Coronavirus - how much do you worry ?

Post by Happy » Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:21 pm

Well lucky me is still working. Our stores are reducing open hours effective tomorrow. I absolutely hate being there. I'm guessing we will be ordered to shut down very soon. I can tell you that 75% of the customers that came shopping for CLOTHES today were 65 plus! I wanted to scream at them! Then i learned that my own 82 year old mother was in 3 different grocery stores today. My brother had a list from her and was ensuring to get her everything she needed
but she still ventured out. And played in a seniors euchre tournament last Saturday. 🤯🤯🤯
I have had so many conversations with her about what this is and who is at risk and the importance of staying out of crowds and public places. She is determined to live her life her way. I really do feel that a big portion of the seniors community is feeling like we are all blowing this out of proportion!
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Post by ross » Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:28 pm

No I’m 72 & figure I’ve led a good life 3 score & 10 plus BUT still out today to go from 3wks grocery supply to 6 & poultry feed tomorrow than only out for milk unless stores close for 2 wks see where at . Coyote hunt & fishing to fill in time . This time of yr always have extra supplies cause of ice storms in rural setting .
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Re: Coronavirus - how much do you worry ?

Post by TomK » Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:11 pm

Happy wrote:
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She is determined to live her life her way. I really do feel that a big portion of the seniors community is feeling like we are all blowing this out of proportion!
@Happy ..it is being blown out of proportion...the entire idea for all this closure and cancellation is to hopefully, and this is the real point, hopefully, minimize the immediate flood of patients into the healthcare system and overwhelm it...lotta people are going to get this version of the flu and some are going to die and most of those are going to be the elderly with issues or just not in the best of health overall...why people can't just be cautious, wash their hands, honestly stay home when sick and in the short term be less kissy huggy, I don't know..and if the media would stop the numbers game tracking every single case and death like some sort of macabre lottery things would be much less chaotic and hysterical....hopefully your mom stays lucky and doesn't come down with this thing anytime soon....and you too of course :run:
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Post by Killerbunny » Tue Mar 17, 2020 4:50 am

Confirmed case in Cornwall in a Nursing STudent!
As to the tracking of every case, a US news thing said something about 79? deaths total and DH figured just like Saturday night in Chicago. We have elderly friends in Retirement Residences (not care homes etc. ) and they have been forbidden from going out! $6000 a month to have somone imprison you.
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Re: Coronavirus - how much do you worry ?

Post by Happy » Tue Mar 17, 2020 6:26 am

I do know the statistics and the mortality rate. Half the problem right now is that a lot of people point to that mortality rate and scoff at the media for making this worse than it is. I disagree. My mother is 82,-on high blood pressure meds and diabetic. She has also had a lifetime habit of licking her finger everytime she picks something up...paper, keys, a dish. That habit won't quit. And honestly regardless of age I feel right now that if you dont change your habits you are not doing the right thing for your community. I'm not suggesting that anyone over 65 should be locked up. But I really don't see any need for most to be out shopping for sale clothes right now. You spread this disease before you feel sick. So staying home when you dont feel food is great. What about the week before you felt anything. Anybody that's not worried about themselves that's fine...but worry about your neighbour right now. Worry about spreading it to others. Work that mortality rate out and it's still a lot of people potentially requiring medical assistance in a very short time. And ultimately I simply dont want to see my mother taken out that way.
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Re: Coronavirus - how much do you worry ?

Post by Ontario Chick » Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:49 am

ross wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:28 pm
No I’m 72 & figure I’ve led a good life 3 score & 10 plus BUT still out today to go from 3wks grocery supply to 6 & poultry feed tomorrow than only out for milk unless stores close for 2 wks see where at . Coyote hunt & fishing to fill in time . This time of yr always have extra supplies cause of ice storms in rural setting .
Same here, accept for the coyote hunting, I will just watch them...:)
Most of us are in such a privileged situation, we can go outside without meeting anybody, social distancing at it's best ;)
Shopping in one place for 3 weeks instead of 3 places weekly, has been our method so far.
With DH doing the shopping we have had some surprising combinations, but I like a challenge and DH has always been adventurous enough to eat anything I put on the table, so I think we will manage.
My heart goes out to those who are caught outside the country having hard time making it back, and those who actually need hospital care.
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Post by WLLady » Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:19 am

Jaye wrote:
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Are you sure it's suspected/presumptive?
Yes a family member is positive, symptomatic and they were in at work before showing symptoms. we are due to return april 6 apparently. well, the university we are still supposed to be there! but my boss has allowed work from home. so we are. the college is closing up until april 6. I didn't have any contact with the person, but I use the same stairwells, elevators and bathrooms....gah. that made it real. So fingers crossed my poor dried out hands from all the hand washing and the level 2 precautions I have been taking pay off....
All i can say is sometimes i'm happy that I am far enough away from neighbours that we can't even see their houses! LOL. I think the whole point of this is to "overreact" now, so we make it easier in the long run. Because: (lets do a math problem here using real data from the china, italy, germany, korea numbers) So take the confirmed cases in your area today. multiply that by 27...that WAS the number of cases 2 weeks ago (determined by epidemiology and math based on actual numbers from those countries further into this than we are), then multiply that number by 3 (because each infected person can infect on average 3 others per day) times 10 (for the 10 days of spread before symptoms). This final number is the number of cases probably floating around out there TODAY. That's why the overreaction is needed-because it's exponential growth. What you hear in the news NOW as confirmed cases is the tip of the iceberg because many many people (including kids) can have this and not even know it and still be infecting others. So what we know from testing is a tiny proportion of what is actually circulating. The overreaction at 200 cases confirmed now, might just mean the difference between 20000 hospitalization and 100000 hospitalizations because 200 confirmed cases is really more like 162000 cases circulating....2% of those end up in the hospital is 3240 people....i don't know about your area, but down here we have an 18 hour wait for ER if you aren't dying, and zero vacant beds...and that's TODAY, tomorrow that number will climb to over 300 confirmed (exponential remember) which would then be 243000 or so circulating and potential for almost 5000 needing hospitalization....so please let's be able to look back and say we overreacted because that means we did great! honestly we should have done the shutting down 3 weeks ago when there were single digit cases....we saw it coming....

If we don't slow down the spreading by either dropping the number of people each person infects to zero (restrict movement, increase self quarantine etc) then 2 days from now if we go with the same rate as today's above there will be 400 confirmed cases (324000 cases; 6500 more severe cases!) and that is in only 3 days total without trying to restrict the spread. if we can even drop the contacts to 1 person per infected person then 400 means 108000 circulating, and 2160 severe....not 6500....if we can drop that to zero contacts 10800 cases and 216 more severe cases.....drop contact to zero for 21 days (this thing can shed for 15 days after a person is not longer appearing sick) then we continue to accrue severe cases from those that became symptomatic after the lockdown, but no contact with others...and those cases will be fewer and fewer until this thing frizzles out. That's the aim.....

I would be totally ecstatic to looks back and say we overreacted...because that's what we need right now. even just a portion of people going out and spreading and it starts the whole exponential thing again. and it comes back again.
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Re: Coronavirus - how much do you worry ?

Post by ross » Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:56 am

Good one Kathy , Thanks
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Post by Farrier1987 » Wed Mar 18, 2020 7:55 am

I find all of this just mind gobbling.
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Re: Coronavirus - how much do you worry ?

Post by ross » Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:33 am

Similar to Spanish Flue warnings . This shows that when Mother Nature is pissed she/ he shows it . JMO
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