ChemTrails

[Chasinthedream]

Hey have you heard of this? WLLady What's the professional opinion?
http://www.ctvnews.ca/health/maple-syru ... -1.2824329

Should I go into the basement and drink a couple hundred litres or what?

[WLLady]

i think it's possible there's something IN maple syrup that's good, past the sugar over the pancakes part
i'd be careful about extrapolating though-these are proteins (bad ones though) that they have put into a dish and then put this extract (notice they don't say WHAT the extract is) on...and viola, they don't clump. i don't know about you, but if you put any kind of protein - like milk lets say - into a glass and then dilute it with something aqueous (water based) wouldn't it be more difficult for the milk proteins to clump? um....? i haven't seen the original research, but my first thought is great, let's run the extract through a spec and analyze the components, then test EACH one, in culture, and then in an animal, before we go injecting this stuff directly into someone's brain (because it won't get there through eating it....).

people have this thing called the blood brain barrier. about the only things that get across it naturally is oxygen, carbon dioxide, some hormones and glucose. yes, drugs can cross, but they're designed to do so most of the time.....would raw maple syrup (or their "extract") get across? no clue.

buy hey, put syrup on your pancakes, why not? just don't get a sugar headache or go into sugar shock from it

[windwalkingwolf]

And therein lies the issue al.....the papers etc publish all the new OMG stuff and never the oh...wait....stuff. because at least in journalism it wouldnt sell half as well. I will see if i can find a half decent review article from one of the journals for you....

If I recall the story correctly, the aluminum thing was partly the fault of the researchers--they were so astonished that there were aluminum deposits in Alzheimer brains, that they kind of jumped the gun, had a (false) "eureka!" moment, and released findings early. Only to discover that there were aluminum deposits in perfectly healthy brains as well, but by then everyone had jumped on the aluminum-causes-alzheimers bandwagon, and thrown out their aluminum pans. Of course, that could be a bit of an urban legend as well, since all I have to go on is what I remember reading somewhere. My memory isn't great anymore, but it's definitely genetic and not my anti-perspirant. My mother is the same way, has been as far back as I can remember, and has NEVER used antiperspirant or aluminum cookware :) That's why it's nice in this case to have an 'insider' lol! Correct me if my memory is wrong, and thank you WLLady!
As a species, we seem to believe that popular opinion = scientific fact, will believe ANYTHING simply because we're afraid it *might* be true, AND we want a magic bullet for everything, e.g., whether it be to avoid aluminum and you avoid alzheimers, or eat loads of goji and blueberries and avoid cancer, or take this glucophage or this anticholesterol and eat whatever junk food you want. Or that taking anything that makes you p00p will somehow magically 'cleanse and detoxify' your liver/body. When something goes wrong, we want a concrete, uncomplicated thing we can point to and then avoid or destroy. To use a metaphor, if you're terrified of a spider on your floor,your first reaction is to step on it, and in your mind the problem is solved. People like WLLady realize that it's a complicated combination of evolution and psychology making you afraid of the spider, and that stepping on it might not be a very good long-term answer. Killing that spider will do nothing about your fear of spiders, and maybe without that particular spider to catch a particular mosquito, you could catch West Nile or something really awful, and never realize it was because you stepped on a spider :D It's not even a good short-term solution, because for every spider you see, there are a hundred you don't, and you will soon have another spider to deal with. Or they'll just hide until you're asleep because you've killed all the brave spiders that might prey on the timid ones. A little information can be a dangerous thing as someone already said lol, and is the reason studies are rarely fast-tracked, even if, for example, some new drug/device/treatment regimen/diet/whatever has shown great promise. 5 years from your cure, when every nerve in your body is on fire, you might wish you had never been cured.
Before reading this thread, I had no idea about the theory of chem-trails. I'd heard the term but knew nothing about it. Having read some of the available theories/information, etc., I'm chalking that one up to the originator(s) having too much caffeine. It makes you paranoid, and can make you see things that aren't really there. Literal shadows in the night, and conspiracies in the daylight. But I'm keeping my mind open, because a little information is a dangerous thing, and I could be wrong

[WLLady]

So from the researcher's side....we are pushed, tremendously hard, to come up with "cures". for instance, there are tons of grants aimed at translational research. that is, taking the bench work to the bedside. problem is, you cannot do that without doing basic science, basic research, first. so we are pushed and pushed to be translational, and if we aren't, we don't get this money or that money to do our work. contrary to popular belief, we aren't in big pharma's pockets. in fact, big pharma won't touch us, because it's too high risk-we cost too much money to develop something that might not work. basic science-the foundations of ALL drugs-is hard to fund, and expensive to do. also, the general public want to see progress....but how do researchers vs public measure progress? i measure it by one assay at a time, did this one give statistical significance or not...where the public wants to see "a new treatment" come forward. it's a huge disconnect. We can tell the press that we see aluminum deposits in the brains of our alzheimer's rabbit model. what they publish may be we see aluminum there, so it must be bad because these bunnies have alzheimers and therefore it's aluminum that's bad. thing is that the bunnies don't HAVE ALZ, we GAVE them and ALZ-like syndrome. might sound like the same thing, but it isn't. it's VERY different. the aluminum thing was the first big thing to happen in a LONG time in that research....we had the same thing with ALS research-the finding of a protein called TDP43....it's all over the news, and all over in many labs being studied...is it the cause? can we manipulate it to cure ALS? the press sure thinks so....maybe we can, but at this point it's not likely because we are still discovering what it does. As for fault...not sure i can assign fault. we are excited to find SOMETHING after years of studying it. we aren't classically the best communicators-we say EXACTLY what we mean, using words that convey exactly what WE mean, however we are quite often misinterpreted...simply because non-scientists do not think and choose words the way scientist do. and there's nothing wrong with that, but it does lead to interesting communication. for instance-i can tell a reporter that i hate ALS, i hate what it does to people, and that's my motivation, and it could be reported that i hate my job. NOT TRUE. i hate the disease....therefore i actually LOVE coming to work, and trying to figure out what makes it tick. i never said that i hate my job. i said i hate the disease...so i can't really put blame anywhere on the aluminum story, because a lot of it was communication and miscommunication gone awry BIG TIME. but no, www, you aren't wrong....LOL

[SandyM]

What makes a story will make it to print that's the unfortunate side and us readers of journalism take it at full value assuming their moral compass reporting on such a sensitive topic is calibrated. Frustrating.

Not directed at you Kathy:
I have always wondered when science will look at/for preventative instead of cures. A true cure does not give another 'disease', specifically if we talk about vaccines. Most just suppress what is already there, or introduce what isn't. Why put MMR in your kid with some lovely Mercury if that disease doesn't currently exist in the body. Proof is you're going to shed that disease that was put in you, and perhaps pass it to another kid who hasn't gotten any vaccines, a disease that you didn't originally have. Mentality behind vaccines IMHO is herd control but I realize that not all science is conducted in this manner.

For example: Now if ALZ is passed on genetically I can see a future, blood test at a young age, yes they have the gene now a vaccine is given to target the gene? And to turn off that 'trait' In the gene to stop it expressing which of course would be wonderful but sciences real challenge will be for there to be no other manifestation of another disease with the 'vaccine'. (Maybe gene isn't the right word, but hopefully you get my drift)

All too often treatment and cures are confused.

[Home Grown Poultry]

http://www.therightclimatestuff.com/index.html

I just found this webpage. its goal is to properly interpret the climate change data in the same manner they used to put a man on the moon. it being carried out by former NASA astronauts and commanders. all the scientific data is peer reviewed before being published. I havent read any of it but this is the kind of real information that is out there and you just have to find it.

[WLLady]

Problem is sandy-actually 2 fold. We know many genes involved....but you need them to survive....so if we turn it off you will not get the disease but you will be dead....um...lol funny thing mother nature. She doesnt give us something because its useless.....

Oh and if you get genetic testing you may be refused health insurance coverage for that disease....should you get it. Because its "preexisting"

Gene targetting is very new and promising-turn it off at a certain stage/age and in a certain tissue/place.

[baronrenfrew]

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I just found this webpage. its goal is to properly interpret the climate change data in the same manner they used to put a man on the moon. it being carried out by former NASA astronauts and commanders. all the scientific data is peer reviewed before being published. I havent read any of it but this is the kind of real information that is out there and you just have to find it.

I read the page and report here. I agree that we don't know the future, and that the current amount of warming is less than predictions say should have happen. But no one predicted the global "weirding" we now face. Extreme weather events that were once rare events and yet now occur more frequently. Floods, deluge rainfalls, droughts, windstorms, icestorms, etc.

The real problem is tipping points. Tipping points are the events that frighten scientists. This is where a small amount of warming: be it water temperatures, or soil temperatures, creates a "runaway train" effect, where natural processes create an extreme amount of climate change in a short period of time. Climate history from rock geology shows that extreme climate change can occur quite quickly. The tundra: a layer of frozen ground around the northern arctic, is an ice cap beneath which the soil contains enormous amounts of methane (natural gas). Methane is a greenhouse gas 20 times more potent than co2. The oceans of the world also contain methane gas: in a frozen state and on the ocean floor, known as methane clathrate. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_ ... _emissions

To see video of folks making a hole in the ice and then lighting it on fire, or to see bubbles of methane rising from the ocean floor.... Lots of these on youtube.

This is the problem: that with a small amount of warming which we made happen; we then lose control of the thermostat. Then natural processes will accelerate climate change. This is the nightmare scenario.

BBC had a radio series five holes in the ground. http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/science/fiv ... ound.shtml

[SandyM]

Wait till you see the pictures I took today. I'll upload tonight.

[SandyM]

Wonder what I'm vaccinated against.