Higher protein feed for molt ?

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Re: Higher protein feed for molt ?

Post by Ontario Chick » Thu Jan 07, 2016 9:19 am

Killerbunny wrote:Yup a bunch of mine decided January was good time to be naked too! You can get higher protein layer base (40%) which I mix in with the mash. Getting mine from Rooneys but you should be able to get similar from your feed mill.
Highest chicken layer I can get here is 18%.
KB what exactly are you getting that is 40% protein?
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Re: Higher protein feed for molt ?

Post by thegawd » Thu Jan 07, 2016 9:28 am

Trout pellets sure are available here, I used to buy 50 lb bags of it to feed to my turtles back in the day from a local feed store... apparently there is no scientific proof that feeding fish to chickens makes there eggs taste fishy... I suspect that is one of those things that once a person knows the birds ate fish that suddenly the eggs taste like fish, subliminal.
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Re: Higher protein feed for molt ?

Post by WLLady » Thu Jan 07, 2016 9:29 am

you guys are going to think i'm trying to turn my birds into cats, but my go to is "country cat" cat food as treats during moulting. my girls gobble them up and then look for more....
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Re: Higher protein feed for molt ?

Post by Ontario Chick » Thu Jan 07, 2016 9:38 am

I read that thread, but didn't have success with it when we had cats, so don't want to go that route again now that we don't.
Also want my life as simple as possible and bag from feed store fills that bill. Will drive to Kemptville if I have to, but planning to terrorize the local feed stores staff first and was hoping to be full of useful info before I go. ;)
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Re: Higher protein feed for molt ?

Post by thegawd » Thu Jan 07, 2016 10:47 am

Pet Value in Kemptville carries Martin Mills Fish Pellets OC. heres a link to the site, http://www.martinmills.com/aquaculture-index.html and heres a retailer location search http://www.nitebridge.com/martins/fish.asp
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Re: Higher protein feed for molt ?

Post by Killerbunny » Thu Jan 07, 2016 10:49 am

The higher protein is just the layer mash base that they then mix in. They should know what you want. I don't have the tag still on the bag ATM.
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Re: Higher protein feed for molt ?

Post by thegawd » Thu Jan 07, 2016 11:06 am

Heres a link to petvalues site. Proficient Floating Trout Pellets, $56.29 for 20kg (44lb) bag at 45% Protein. Im going to be looking into this as well.

http://petvalu.com/product/31743/profic ... ets-martin

Heres the Anylsis:

Crude Protein (min.) 45.0%
Sodium (act) 0.45%
Crude Fat (min.) 9.0%
Crude Fibre (max.) 3.5%
Calcium (actual) 0.9%
Phosphorus (actual) 1.0%
Vitamin A (min) 6
800 I.U./kg
Vitamin D3 (min) 2
100 I.U./kg
Vitamin E (min) 320 I.U./kg
Vitamin C (min) 315 IU/Kg
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Re: Higher protein feed for molt ?

Post by Ontario Chick » Thu Jan 07, 2016 12:04 pm

I may be suffering from too much information, perhaps collecting the feathers they dropped and grind them and feed them back would be the cheapest source of protein and I would know it wasn't coming from suspect sources?

Crude protein
Meat & Bone.....50.4 %
Blood.............88.9%
Feather...........81 %
Poultry............60%
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Re: Higher protein feed for molt ?

Post by thegawd » Thu Jan 07, 2016 12:25 pm

i know eh... heres some more info from feedipedia about feather meal and poultry meal. Interesting stuff...

Feather meal: http://www.feedipedia.org/node/213

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Broilers and laying hens

Pullets fed feather meal was found to grow satisfactorily, the addition of methionine was found to improve performance (Khajarern et al., 1982a). The effect of supplementing feather meal with 0.2 to 0.5 % methionine was found to increase carcass quality in broilers and egg weight and shell thickness in layers (Miranda et al., 1981)

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Feather meal can provide up to 50 % of the supplemental protein for young growing duckling, 100 % for older growing ducks and 50 % in ducks that are laying (Sucheep Suksupath, 1980).

Poultry Meal: http://www.feedipedia.org/node/214

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Poultry by-product meal can be used in poultry diets at up to 7 to 10% without impairing bird performance. However, diets containing poultry by-product meal should be formulated to take into account the fact that the digestibilities of amino acids are lower than those of soybean meal (Bandegan et al., 2010)

When introduced at up to 4% in balanced broiler diets, performance was unchanged (Kirkpinar et al., 2004). In previous experiments, the same results were observed when including poultry by-products up to 10% in broiler diets (Mendonca et al., 1989; Escalona et al., 1987). In laying hen diets, poultry by-products have no detrimental effects on performance and egg quality up to an incorporation level of between 5% (Senkoylu et al., 2005) and 7.5% (Hosseinzadeh et al., 2010).

Poultry by-products can be extruded with cereal grains, yielding an ingredient with a higher protein value than that of meat and bone meal (Aimiuwu et al., 2006).
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Re: Higher protein feed for molt ?

Post by JimW » Thu Jan 07, 2016 8:51 pm

Trout pellets are relatively easy to find in Ontario, many feed stores have a few bags in stock or can get them.

I believe 5 Span Feed in Pakenham also sells a 40%plus protein supplement to be mixed into other feed. I have never checked personally just been told.

I use Purina Gamebird to up my protein or a bit of high quality, grain-free dog food.
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